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Dan Martland
Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:30:07 PM
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A new series started for Derren on E4 last night.  It was a good show and I'm pleased to say that I could see what he was doing with one of the 'digital viewing' segments and the present routine.

But he is good.  Check it out on Friday Channel 4 if you didn't catch it last night.

Dan

Simon Finch
Posted: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:15:18 PM
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yes i've just seen it, i saw what he was doing but i didn't guess it was a bike.
i think i need some more practice. it just goes to show how suggestive the unconcious mind is.
i wonder if anyone has some good tricks to amuse some unsuspecting friends??
John Brett
Posted: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:15:48 AM
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It was a nice start to the series. I got the bike, and that it was a BMX, particularly towards the end of the sequence when he said 'a BM or an X box', it was brilliant. I was explaining to my other half what he was doing to influence, and I think he was a bit baffled when I started talking about syntactic ambiguity and all that. Mmm... keep it simple when trying to explain to non NLP'ers what's going on.

Did you notice Derren anchoring the initial state when the guy just has to have something, and then constantly reinforce the anchor as he pumped up the state? Neat.

Simon Finch
Posted: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:52:55 AM
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Yes very slick.
i think the reason i didn't get it was because i was explaining to my oter half what he was doing, so i didn't hear everything.
did you also notice he use Ericksons handshake aswell?
I am looking forward to fridays episode.
I have no idea how did the wallet thing or how he could read with his fingers.
Has anyone got any ideas on this? (or should we just wait for mike to tell us)
John Brett
Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:02:55 AM
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I must have missed the wallet thing, or was that when he was guessing the amount of cash people were carrying. That was good, if that's the trick you meant. No idea how he did it, but brilliant nonetheless!

John Brett
Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:04:21 AM
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Oh, and the handshake induction / pattern interrupt was very slick, very slick indeed.
Simon Finch
Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:20:39 PM
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I'm looking forward to fridays episode,
Just incase anyone is interested then take a look here
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/index.html

it tells you a little bit of how he does some things.
Mike Hawkes
Posted: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:50:02 PM
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If you want to know how the card and wallet illusions are done, I'd suggest you have a look at Kenton Knepper's material as they are both variations of routines he writes about. Also, Kreskin covers the wallet routine in his books. Other than that, confusional and pattern interrupts neatly demonstrated.

Simon Finch
Posted: Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:28:43 PM
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I've started going over some of his old shows, and i'm glad to say that i can see and hear what he is doing now!.
as for kreskin and knepper i shall be looking into their material,, thanks mike.
oh and for the record mike i love the other site think i will be doing some things on there
John Brett
Posted: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:20:53 AM
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What other site are you talking about Simon? Can you let me have the address if it's something interesting.

John

Simon Finch
Posted: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:14:41 AM
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Hi john, i have sent the url to your e-mail.
hope you like it.
Ian Evans
Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:09:07 AM
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Hi there,

On the BMX skit and some others.....

I was just passing by this forum and dropped in to say that not all things Derren does that appears to be nlp are nlp.

nlp'ers will read into what they want to believe. He says, .... this is how I did it......using these words...subliminal ... marking out language....blah, blah etc when in fact this was not the real way at all. This is all misdirection in the form of a plausible explanation to the viewer.

I have used the same rouse myself when performing a straightforward magic trick. Dual reality routines can be very powerful when staged properly and TV does help that with editing. You may wantto look at some of Kenton Kneppers or Luke Jermays routines.

Derren is a superb showman and entertainer but dont fall for his explanations and claim it upon nlp. here was a lot more to that BMX skit than you ever saw on TV. Remember the man saying.... thats my writing but I never wrote that.... ask how could that be?

It was a great trick though extremely well presented and thought through. Top mentalist, yes.... top blagger, yes. NlP explanation... no

Ian 

Master Pract. NLP, Hypnotist and Therapist (who also happens to love magic and mentalism!)

 

Dan Martland
Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:17:10 PM
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Hi Ian,

thanks for your perspective.  Would you care to say how you think it was done if you think it wasn't NLP?

Dan

bretty
Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:22:22 PM